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Offline mojobadshah

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Vesemes and Universal Speech
« on: February 09, 2020, 03:11:18 PM »
I took a little time to investigate into loglans and vesemes and the potential of a language and writing system that uses symbols that are impersonal in nature and which through simulated hypothesis would most likely turn out to be the universal language of choice for the empiricist, scientist, or mathematician.  I linked to attachments a rough sketch based on a few theories, vesemes, number systems, universal geometrics, and vocal apparatus muscle movements my best assimilation so far.  I would like to hear comments, suggestions, and corrections in terms of accuracy whether these schemes match up. Candid responses will be more than appreciated.

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Re: Vesemes and Universal Speech
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2020, 03:52:57 PM »
The idea of finding a "universal language" for science was a popular idea several centuries ago, but has now been pretty much abandoned because it just doesn't seem realistic. It's not that you can't come up with a useful system, but that no single system will cover all uses. There are many ways to categorize the world/universe, not just one right answer. On the other hand, it seems crucial that humans actually use language to impose their own perspective on categorization, etc., rather than following some abstract logic.
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Re: Vesemes and Universal Speech
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2020, 09:03:37 AM »
Your drawings have some similarity to Korean Hangul. The first thing that you should elaborate on is how you would notate a specific word in some language, for example "Hello". Then be prepared to explain how you distinguish "sit", "seat", "set", "sate", "sat", "sought". Subsequent questions would be about how you notate Hindi consonants like [bʰ, gʰ, ʈ, ʈʰ] or Arabic consonants like [ħ, ʕ, χ, γ]. An even more advanced question would be how you notate the difference between [ʕ] as pronounced in Moroccan Arabic, in Palestinian Arabic, and in Somali. The last question (at least that comes to mind at the moment] is, how does this system compare to the International Phonetic Alphabet?