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Specializations => Typology and Descriptive Linguistics => Topic started by: mojobadshah on February 09, 2020, 03:11:18 PM

Title: Vesemes and Universal Speech
Post by: mojobadshah on February 09, 2020, 03:11:18 PM
I took a little time to investigate into loglans and vesemes and the potential of a language and writing system that uses symbols that are impersonal in nature and which through simulated hypothesis would most likely turn out to be the universal language of choice for the empiricist, scientist, or mathematician.  I linked to attachments a rough sketch based on a few theories, vesemes, number systems, universal geometrics, and vocal apparatus muscle movements my best assimilation so far.  I would like to hear comments, suggestions, and corrections in terms of accuracy whether these schemes match up. Candid responses will be more than appreciated.
Title: Re: Vesemes and Universal Speech
Post by: Daniel on February 09, 2020, 03:52:57 PM
The idea of finding a "universal language" for science was a popular idea several centuries ago, but has now been pretty much abandoned because it just doesn't seem realistic. It's not that you can't come up with a useful system, but that no single system will cover all uses. There are many ways to categorize the world/universe, not just one right answer. On the other hand, it seems crucial that humans actually use language to impose their own perspective on categorization, etc., rather than following some abstract logic.
Title: Re: Vesemes and Universal Speech
Post by: panini on February 10, 2020, 09:03:37 AM
Your drawings have some similarity to Korean Hangul. The first thing that you should elaborate on is how you would notate a specific word in some language, for example "Hello". Then be prepared to explain how you distinguish "sit", "seat", "set", "sate", "sat", "sought". Subsequent questions would be about how you notate Hindi consonants like [bʰ, gʰ, ʈ, ʈʰ] or Arabic consonants like [ħ, ʕ, χ, γ]. An even more advanced question would be how you notate the difference between [ʕ] as pronounced in Moroccan Arabic, in Palestinian Arabic, and in Somali. The last question (at least that comes to mind at the moment] is, how does this system compare to the International Phonetic Alphabet?
Title: Re: Vesemes and Universal Speech
Post by: mojobadshah on February 23, 2020, 11:35:58 PM
Getting to the actual morphological side of this futurist thesis is hardly something I have even seen any data on, respecting human vocal speech and mouth muscle apparatus formations and movements. In the chart that I posted above what I did was my best to map mouth and tongue movements using information on vesemes to numbers 0-9. I would like to know whether these written representations of the already established veseme associations which are universal to all human mouth and muscle movement potential innate and relative to the phenomena of speech look like an accurate representation, and whether anyone has suggestions in relation to how these associations might be shifted around presuming a more so technical outcome.  I would like to derive some more inside on this veseme representation and mapping prospective first (both systems appear to be already innately formed and geometric). However, the question of how these vesemes, the phonemic that they produce (mapped to numbers 0-9) and how they should logically reflect on units in nature is of interest to me, too. It is more so a question of once these vesemes have been merged with a assuming concrete geometrics in nature eg. "land," "water," "fire," how this initial merger development phase of a veseme logan development would then logically come to a morphological phase to represent anything scientifically accounted for in classification terms.  I would also be interested to know whether there might be an overlapping of associations of semantic meaning through the host of the world's written representations that are consistent across language representation systems and that resemble more closely numbers 0-9.