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Offline zaba

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help me name this suffix
« on: April 11, 2014, 12:49:33 PM »
This morpheme attaches to Nouns to mean "this one among others".

eg.

she-ONE.AMONG.MANY 3S-1O-hit
'She hit me' (as I point her out amongst a group of other women)

she 3S-1O-hit
She hit me. (normal usage, I relate an event in the past)

Also:

this-ONE.AMONG.MANY be mine
'this one is mine' (as I select out of a group of other similar things)

this be mine
'this is mine' (normal usage, I am just telling you that the thing belongs to me)

In all my years of work (very few!!!!) I never saw anything like this.
Does anyone have any idea of what it could be? Any x-linguistic example of some suffix it resembles?

Arrrrgh fun but confusing.
Thanks y'all :-X

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Re: help me name this suffix
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2014, 04:33:32 PM »
Some kind of partitive?
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Re: help me name this suffix
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2014, 12:09:16 AM »
My understanding is that the PARTITIVE usually has a meaning like "some", whereas this case is "one among many" -- still I see what you mean and am grateful for the tip. I was up reading about the partitive in several languages including e.g. finnish -- but it seems quite different from what I found. Still, it's the closest thing so far... Any other ideas are appreciated!

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Re: help me name this suffix
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2014, 12:40:59 AM »
This morpheme attaches to Nouns to mean "this one among others".

eg.

she-ONE.AMONG.MANY 3S-1O-hit
'She hit me' (as I point her out amongst a group of other women)

she 3S-1O-hit
She hit me. (normal usage, I relate an event in the past)

Also:

this-ONE.AMONG.MANY be mine
'this one is mine' (as I select out of a group of other similar things)

this be mine
'this is mine' (normal usage, I am just telling you that the thing belongs to me)

In all my years of work (very few!!!!) I never saw anything like this.
Does anyone have any idea of what it could be? Any x-linguistic example of some suffix it resembles?

Arrrrgh fun but confusing.
Thanks y'all :-X


What are the other morphemes with which the word can appear?To understand the semantics of the morpheme we need to know that too.

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Re: help me name this suffix
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2014, 12:54:32 AM »
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What are the other morphemes with which the word can appear?To understand the semantics of the morpheme we need to know that too.

It has a limited distribution, so  tough to say much more -- but it can also be marked with the direct object case marker.

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Re: help me name this suffix
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2014, 02:41:08 AM »
Partitive is generally non-definite, and it tends to have some peculiar behavior as a result. Morphemes with definite semantics usually get called "pseudo-partitives" or (as I prefer) "quantitives".

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Re: help me name this suffix
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2014, 09:40:32 AM »
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Partitive is generally non-definite, and it tends to have some peculiar behavior as a result. Morphemes with definite semantics usually get called "pseudo-partitives" or (as I prefer) "quantitives".

Maybe better: 'definitive'?

By the way, it sits squarely in a derivational position. Could this be derivational?!