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Offline zaba

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"in relation to": Is it a PP?
« on: June 12, 2014, 04:34:15 AM »
Is the phrase "in relation to" in the sentence below a PP?

 (it is something) in relation to cheeto's

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Re: "in relation to": Is it a PP?
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2014, 05:31:02 PM »
"in relation to" is not in itself a complete phrase, probably not a constituent (see below).

"in relation to cheeto's" is a PP.

There are two ways to analyze that internally:

1. [to cheeto's] is a PP modifying the N 'relation', all contained within a PP [in [relation....]].

Alternatively: 2. "in relation to" is a complex preposition.
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Re: "in relation to": Is it a PP?
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2014, 05:22:26 AM »
Yeah, it's like if you looked at instead in English. No one would consider it a preposition, but rather an adverb that's largely due to the fact that it's one word. It used to be in stead (of) but that wouldn't be the way to analyse it. I think the same is true about things like in relation to. What's the fundamental difference? It's the fact that we accept the tradition to put a space in between the sub-elements, nothing more. Maybe it's a bit weaker than an example such as instead because you can put other elements in the middle with the same meaning ('in reference to' etc.) but these are highly idiomatic structures that could easily have been passed down to us in some reduced form like inrelationto or inreferenceto.

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Re: "in relation to": Is it a PP?
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2014, 12:09:48 AM »
What would the tree be for this PP? I have a hard time visualizing the tree djr33 proposed in 2.

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Re: "in relation to": Is it a PP?
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2014, 08:37:07 AM »
Option (2) in my post above is just a standard PP:


Option (1) is layered:
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Re: "in relation to": Is it a PP?
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2014, 10:08:48 PM »
Wow you rock, Thanks.