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Offline waive15

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The Language of Thought Hypothesis
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The Language of Thought Hypothesis

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/language-thought/

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Language of thought hypothesis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_of_thought_hypothesis

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Symbolic Systems and the Language of Thought

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHckETCt0a0


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Re: The Language of Thought Hypothesis
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2022, 11:11:09 AM »
Anybody can point to a set of internet works on an idea. The hard part is contributing to the discussion with critical analysis. What exactly do you feel needs to be said about LOTH?

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Re: The Language of Thought Hypothesis
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2022, 06:33:09 PM »

Hi, panini,

I am glad to hear from you.

The section of the forum is "Linguistic links" and I thought that it would not be appropriate to comment other people's work.

I am happy that there are people, professionals, who try to understand how mind/consciousness work examining the language.
"simple sentence. zero dimensional space" tries to do the same.

6th line of the document:
"... These words can combine into a Mentalese sentence whales are mammals, ..."

For me whales and mammals are in Genitive_is'' (definition) connection.



simple sentence. zero dimensional space

thing
connections/spaces
event
simple sentence
time
prepositions - especially of and with
...


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What exactly do you feel needs to be said about LOTH?

People who are in business of creating a Conscious machine are in business of creating Life.
I don't think that 1. they understand that and 2. they think in the right terms.

[Will shoots Skinny. Screaming, the women scatter upstairs]

Little Bill Daggett: Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!
/Gene Hackman/
Will Munny: Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend.
/Clint Eastwood/

Unforgiven (1992)







The Dog Who Saw a Rainbow scene, Kate & Leopold (2001)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0jQiKhQP70



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Re: The Language of Thought Hypothesis
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2022, 10:40:28 AM »
Okay, would you then conclude that the idea that there is a separate (secret, inner, unknowable) "Language of thought" is an unscientific and unfounded notion? That positing such a thing raises a mystical impediment to understanding consciousness?

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Re: The Language of Thought Hypothesis
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2022, 05:55:33 AM »
Hi, panini,

There is a/that body and the body has clothes. Body is mind/thought/consciousness/... and clothes are language. Let's think of them as complementary in some way/sense.

There are different languages - different clothes for just one body.


"Language is the dress of thought; every time you talk your mind is on parade."
Samuel Johnson


So, it was about time someone take that approach/avenue of thinking - to look at the clothes and tell/speculate what the body is/about the body.

I think that there is not Language, that is, there are not clothes. There is a body and skin (and other parts of the body, which are "on parade").
/there is no Language (per se) just consciousness at work/


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My Cousin Vinny (1992)

It's a Trick Question

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ-UHY6HXdU


"My Cousin Vinny" Music Video (Bible Belt - Travis Tritt)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=th3hOP6cU84


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Re: The Language of Thought Hypothesis
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2022, 06:20:55 PM »
The fact that you reply refutes the claim that language does not exist. It is self-evident that there is language. Clearly you don't mean what you say; you intend something else. I take it that you are not seriously interested in the "language of thought" claim, and would prefer to not talk about it.

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Re: The Language of Thought Hypothesis
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2022, 09:58:05 AM »
Panini,

Please, accept my sincere apologies. 
I didn't understand your questions nor The Language of Thought Hypothesis.
My "answers" were inadequate.

Best regards,

waive15.
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Re: The Language of Thought Hypothesis
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2022, 08:13:26 AM »

SEMANTICS – AN INTERVIEW WITH JERRY FODOR

Jerry Fodor
Rutgers University



"...
Fodor - I’m not at all sure that I understand how Chomsky views semantics. But, as
far as I can tell, he thinks that it’s not about relations between ideas and the world,
but rather about relations among the ideas themselves
. The typical kind of semantic
relations among ideas, on that sort of view, are the ones that engender analyticities
(such as that whatever falls under the concept BACHELOR ipso facto falls under the
concept UNMARRIED MALE; see above.) There is, in philosophy a very long history
of holding such views (Hume, for example, appears to have done so; maybe Kant did
too.) Often the reasons for holding it have been epistemological. The line of thought is
something like this
: Since knowledge involves representation, one can’t know what
the world is like ‘in itself’ viz how it is independent of the ways that we represent it.
So, if representation is itself a kind of mind-world relation, we can’t know whether we
ever do succeed in thinking about the world. (/about what our words mean, etc.)
Suppose, however, that representation is constituted by relations among thoughts.
Since we can know about such relations (by introspection for example) we likewise
can know for sure such putatively analytic truths as that bachelors are unmarried,
that cats are animals, and so forth
. In effect, the proposal is to avoid skepticism about
knowledge by adopting a sort of Idealism about meaning: all our ideas are ideas
about ideas
."
page 5, last paragraph

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