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Offline Henry90

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What Language is this word from?
« on: July 01, 2019, 05:44:10 PM »
Hi, I am new to the forums and I have a question about the linguistic background of a word.
My ethnic background is Kurdish and from what I have learned from my parents the original name of our ancestry was "Kalpatin".
I have searched Google to find out what this word means or where its from but I could not find any information about it.
Does anyone know what the word "Kalpatin" is and where its from?

Thank you for your time!

Offline panini

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Re: What Language is this word from?
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2019, 08:10:57 AM »
The possibilities are pretty huge, given the extent of Kurdistan. You'd have a better chance of getting an accurate answer if you can narrow down the options, e.g. by including a suspected town (Paveh? Silemani? Rojava? Diyarbakir? Yerevan?), or providing any information about the language (Kurdish is really a language family, so the form of words that you or your ancestors remember might say where they are from, thus what "kalpatin" might refer to).

Offline Henry90

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Re: What Language is this word from?
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2019, 10:40:36 AM »
From what my grandfather told us, our family used to be from the city of Elâzığ in Turkey. Later they migrated to the central parts of Turkey

Offline panini

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Re: What Language is this word from?
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2019, 03:05:19 PM »
Well, I happen to have a Kurmanji dictionary, which would be the dialect most relevant for North Kurdistan, and I tried all of the reasonable variants but I don't see any Kurdish word that this might relate to. It is possible that it's Armenian Kurdish. It is reported that there was a Kurdish chiefdom in western Armenia
in Armavir & Aragatsotn provinces with the Kurdish name Qulp, Armenian Կողբ (Koghb), and extending into the Turkish town of Tuzluca. There is a 5th century writer from there known as "Eznik of Kolb". Armenian կողբացի is said to be from Old Armenian կողբացի [kołbacʿi] meaning "someone from the village of Koghb". However, current Koghb is much further north and east of the location of the "Qulp" chiefdom (but then, people move). So perhaps it relates to an earlier Armenian-Kurdish village.