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Offline Tragedia2

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To djr33 wals info your help
« on: January 10, 2017, 11:43:47 AM »
Dear djr 33 oN that site chapter 72 has problems and I am  blocked to leave answers or even post questions! I can never respond and I have to wait to place a new question for a week! I need your help with chapter 72 in terms Of french or german one of them would be enough! Also I could find nothing to rhytmic stress in french which is undetermined! I HAVE the reference the editor sent me the book as a giftbI can send you french part of it! Let me know thanks!!!

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« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2017, 11:59:26 AM »
Rhytmic stress should be on the word level in terms of fremch! Everything available is on the level of sentemce!I can send the part if the book : word prosodic systems thanks djr33!

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« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2017, 12:33:30 PM »
As I have said, I am happy to discuss questions with you, especially when I know the answer and can help you easily. I assume you would do the same. But I don't expect you to do my research for me, and that is what you are doing here. I shouldn't have 'homework' in order to help you with a question, to put it bluntly.

My impression is that you are working on a big research project, and that the simple answer is that you really just need to do the research. There's a reason other websites have blocked you: that's because you need to do the work yourself, rather than asking others to do it for you.

I really am willing to help with basic questions, but your questions are not basic: they are technical, both in the topic and in applying to a specific language, and especially for the specific way that each WALS chapter codes its data, and then in most cases they require additional background reading or research.

Maybe the best help I could provide you is to ask what your overall goal is. If you are not capable of using WALS on your own, then maybe this research project, or this approach, isn't ideal for you? If you are capable, then you don't need this much 'hands on' help with it. I'm sure you can do it, but it might take a lot of time. I'm not sure about your background, or your goals, so I can't comment without discussing that in more detail, but I'd be happy to offer you some general advice about your research goals if you would like.

What I am mostly confused about is why this information is meaningful to you if you don't understand how to interpret it without assistance. How are you trying to apply it? Maybe you just need to do a lot more background reading first? Is there some other way to approach them? Do you need all the data?

And again, some of these questions are very technical, and in order to answer them I would have to do additional reading/research myself, so you're not alone in finding the questions difficult or time-consuming. I'm not saying you're a bad researcher. In fact, you can probably answer all of this on your own if you have the time/interest to do as much background reading as necessary.

Finally, if you absolutely can't understand something on WALS and think there might be a mistake, it is possible to email the authors (or provide feedback on the website), but you should only do this when absolutely necessary and when you have done everything you possibly can on your own. Otherwise they will be completely justified in ignoring your questions, especially if you send many. It's important to be respectful of the researchers by not taking their time before spending your time. And most of the time you contact them, it should be after you have tried to verify their data and cannot, and you can provide some kind of citation or other evidence about it.

I hope this doesn't come across as just a rant and that it is helpful. I think it should be, especially because others are blocking you rather than helping you, and maybe they haven't given you this feedback.
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Re: To djr33 wals info your help
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2017, 12:49:15 PM »
Dear djr33 I will use my dad's account and place my questions there!!! Once I make an english copy of my project I will share it with you! Thanks anyways! Dont worry cuz you cannot helP this project is very difficult! Cheers!

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« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2017, 01:09:04 PM »
It is not blocking actually djr33! I have exceeded my question limit there! Best regards! Also I have not asked them to do my work! Just asked a few things! and they have been very helpful! I have emailed many authors on wals some responded some not :((

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« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2017, 01:29:39 PM »
You get what you pay for with free help. It can be genuinely helpful, but only to the extent that the questions are easy for someone to answer.

I'm not trying to accuse you of anything here, but just stating possibilities. I don't really understand your goals, but as I said I would be happy to discuss them.

Exceeding a question limit is also an indication you should probably be doing more work on your own. But that's up to you.

As for "doing your own work", the bottom line is that in order to answer your question I would have to do the research myself. Instead, I expect you to do that. If there's some reason that my experience means I'd be better at doing it, I'd be happy to try to help you with what I know. It's not that it's too hard for me, it's that it would require research-- research you should be doing. Again, that's not an accusation, just a fact. If you need help doing the research, please ask. For example, I've already told you in some detail how I would go about understanding a page on WALS.
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« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2017, 01:32:01 PM »
Thanks for the clarification! I will be careful from
Now on :)))