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Offline lormurr

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Uralic languages and their origins
« on: March 21, 2018, 03:58:47 PM »
Good evening to y'all: my name's Lorenzo Murrone.
I am at present doing some research concerning a language (which I believe to be some kind of Uralic language, though it is unknown), and for this research I need a good analysis of Proto-Uralic grammar (both "declensions" and conjugations), although it seems to me that there has been a lot of discussion concerning the matter, and it seems like no "definite" or "semi-definite" conclusion concerning most of PU grammar can be given. Now, even though I am kind of a linguist, my areas of interest have always been Indo-European and Hamito-Semitic languages, so I never dealth with PU -- but now I have to!  :o
So, my question to you is: where can I find some advanced information concerning research about PU, maybe with some plausible conclusions concerning conjugations and declensions? It would be great if it could be on the internet, although I agree that most of the internet's stuff is either junk or poor. However, it seems like there are some experts here, so I came here in order to ask someone who's got some more experience than I in the field.
Thank y'all very much! Thank you!

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Re: Uralic languages and their origins
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2018, 05:46:12 PM »
You can start with The Uralic Languages: Description, History and Foreign Influences (ed. by D. Sinor) and The Uralic Languages (ed. by D. Abondolo), also Survey of the Uralic Languages and Comparative Grammar of the Uralic Languages by Björn Collinder, The Uralic Protolanguage: A Comprehensive Reconstruction by Gy. Décsy. You might read through volumes of Suomalais-Ugrilaisen Seuran toimituksia if they're available to you online (though an institutional subscription). The article "On the structure of proto-uralic" is also online at https://helda.helsinki.fi/bitstream/handle/10224/4083/janhunen23-42.pdf?sequence=1 (it's annoying because it just asserts conclusions without bothering with evidence, but whatevs).

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Re: Uralic languages and their origins
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2018, 06:57:01 PM »
Panini answered the question well.

Out of curiosity, though, what's the language? Is it modern, or are you supposing a prehistoric connection?
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Re: Uralic languages and their origins
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2018, 03:55:16 AM »
Thanks, Panini, all of that material will be (and actually already has been) remarkably helpful.

@Daniel: It is an ancient Mediterranean language, and at present I'm just trying to see to what family it belongs. Since I've discarded the Indo-European hypothesis, and since there are good reasons to think this is an agglutinating language, I have decided to give Uralic languages a shot and see what can come forth. And so far it's been fruitful.
At present I ain't trying to find any historical connection, I'd be satisfied only if I could understand its family. Nonetheless, I agree that, if this language be proven to be Uralic (if, and only if!), then it would be a remarkable breakthrough in mapping non-Indo-European languages in Europe. But again, we're far from a definite conclusion...

Anyways, thank y'all!

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Re: Uralic languages and their origins
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2018, 09:44:14 AM »
Hi everyone,

I am also interested in the topic. Actually I would recommend Angela Marcantonio's book: The Uralic language family (here is a short review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nZ4xYO3Vyc), but there are other very interesting materials as well like Abondolo: The Uralic languages, etc.