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Offline Forbes

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Re: Romance languages not descended from Latin.
« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2018, 03:39:23 PM »
I came across this article: prudentia.auckland.ac.nz/index.php/prudentia/article/download/840/791

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Re: Romance languages not descended from Latin.
« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2018, 02:02:38 AM »
That addresses some relevant details, but overall, setting aside terminological preferences, I don't think it changes the most general points, as indicated in the conclusion of the article. (I just briefly skimmed it though.)
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Re: Romance languages not descended from Latin.
« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2019, 02:10:26 PM »
Dear linguists,
No venimos del latín by Carme Jiménez Huertas, 2013 and 2016
http://carmejhuertas.blogspot.com/
The book is in Spanish. Here you can find a Youtube video with Hueras with English subtitles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPI_Y4hdIaU, and here is her article, also in Spanish, titled "No venimos del latín. Los romances derivan de una lengua madre de carácter aglutinante" http://euskararenjatorria.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/3_Salduie_II_Carmen_J_Huertas.pdf
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Re: Romance languages not descended from Latin.
« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2019, 04:29:00 PM »
A bit earlier than Huertas, was French architect Yves Cortez who wrote:
Le français ne vient pas du latin (French does not come from Latin), 2007.
His book is well reviewed on Rational Wiki
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Le_fran%C3%A7ais_ne_vient_pas_du_latin
Here is a blog and youtube recording:
http://yvescortez.canalblog.com/archives/2007/12/16/7258295.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZmSkVwjbvw
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Re: Romance languages not descended from Latin.
« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2019, 05:43:26 PM »
I have not read the French article but had a look at the review on Rational Wiki which seems to have done a good debunking job.

I speed read the Spanish article but have not watched the video. The author seems to set up some Aunt Sallies and make some dubious observations. The argument that Romance languages cannot be derived from Latin because they have a different typology does not hold much water. The history of many languages shows a drift from, say, synthetic to analytic.

No one has ever argued that any Romance language is a direct descendant of the language of Cicero. The emphasis has always been on descent from Vulgar Latin. The Romans did not conquer the whole of their empire in one go and different stages of Vulgar Latin would have been introduced at different times. Insisting that anything different from Classical Latin is not Latin is no more than an argument about precise labelling. Saying that Romance languages come from "Old Italian" is just to give Vulgar Latin another name. However, as touched on above, the possibility cannot be ruled out that some of the modern languages of Italy classified as Romance are to some degree descended from or influenced by non-Latin Italic langauges.

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Re: Romance languages not descended from Latin.
« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2019, 08:46:52 PM »
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The argument that Romance languages cannot be derived from Latin because they have a different typology does not hold much water. The history of many languages shows a drift from, say, synthetic to analytic.
If true, the argument would mean that languages can't change, which is, obviously, nonsense, as is the rest of the 'theory'.
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