Asu:
I still feel that a continent, which has been populated by humans 15000 yeas ago, would have less languages, and language families than the continents where people have been living for hundreds of thousands of years.
Fact check:
1. Modern humans have not been living anywhere outside Africa for "hundreds of thousands of years". The Americas are relatively recently settled, but not by as much as you suggest.
2. The Americas were settled in waves (maybe three, see above). You can see some information here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Settlement_of_the_Americas -- according to that page the settlement of the Americas was "not before 20,000 years ago". Different languages/cultures might have arrived there thousands of years apart, but none were there more than about 20,000 years ago.
So your impression is irrelevant to the facts: there ARE many languages in the Americas, and they did get there
around 15,000 years ago, give or take a few thousand years. The diversity is quite high (partly explained as I noted above by there being many small groups), and somehow that happened over the last 20,000 (or fewer) years.
There are various questions you could ask:
1. Is that 20,000 year limit really true? I'm not the person to ask, but I'll assume that's a reasonable approximation unless you have some very strong evidence otherwise.
2. What was the diversity like when the languages arrived in the Americas? Maybe only three languages came over (the ancestors to the three groups Greenberg proposed). Maybe dozens (or more) did, independently (but perhaps in larger waves). Or maybe only several migrations of large groups occurred, but within those groups multiple languages were spoken (just like the Europeans simultaneously brought Spanish, English, Portuguese, French, Dutch, etc., to the Americas).
3. How did the relatively little diversity become the greater diversity we see today? See my answer above for a broad perspective on that. It's a good question.
Unless we postulate that, e.g., a continuously existing population can transform its language from one form to something structurally completely unrelated after a certain number of generation of speakers. So for instance we have a tribe speaking something like Chinese, one half goes left, the other half goes right, and 2000 years later one descendants speak something like Sanskrit and the other something like Bantu.
Well, yes... exactly. Almost. Languages do change over time, and over enough time those changes accumulate. What you hint at (maybe unintentionally) is that Chinese is an isolating language (with little or no morphology), Sanskrit is a fusional/inflectional language (with 'paradigmatic' morphology that encodes multiple features at once, like one ending for tense/person/number/mood/etc.), and Bantu languages like Swhaili are agglutinative (stacking multiple morphemes one after the other, not overlapping like fusional languages, but also having complex words unlike isolating languages). There is a cycle from which isolating languages become agglutinating (independent words start to stack as affixes), then agglutinating languages become fusional (the once-independent stacked morphemes start to overlap/fuse), and then fusional languages become isolating (losing their morphology), and repeat. Any given language is somewhere in that continuum (not exactly at any particular extreme). For example, aspectual particles in Chinese look a lot like suffixes and there is a lot of compounding in the language (hinting that it might be becoming agglutinative), Old English was fusional but is now close to isolating, and so forth. So, yes, that is almost exactly what linguists would say about how the diversity in the Americas came about.
Remember, the Indo-European family has had about 6,000 years to diversify. But over 12,000 years that would not be double the diversity, but actually 4 times (approximately-- exponential anyway), because changes accumulate and go in different directions. And even more at 18,000 years, the approximate age of the oldest American languages.
Note also that the similarity between the youngest group (Eskimo-Aleut) is so different than the diversity of the oldest group ("Amerind", if that is indeed one group, but either way, there's a lot more diversity among those languages than Eskimo-Aleut).
Or that languages are completely forgotten at times and then reinvented from scratch
Through mixing and contact (as in creole languages due to colonization today) that might have happened. Or at least reshaped some of the languages in some ways. That's why Greenberg's observations are probably of contact rather than really reflecting the origins of the languages.
On the other hand, if by "reinvented" you would allow for a language to be "completely replaced", then that might have happened in a sense. Linguists estimate that by around 10,000 years there has been so much borrowing it is no longer possible to clearly distinguish the 'signal from the noise' in the sense of which words are original and which are borrowed, so reconstruction and determining relationships is nearly impossible. So by cycling through 10,000 years of changes and contact, indeed languages would look almost nothing like they did originally. With small groups and nothing to connect the once unified language families, diversity is predicted.
Or, that languages started to be spoken only about 15000, maybe 20000, years ago.
No, not at all. There are various reasons for that, but this is not evidence in support of that argument anyway.
I just feel that a continent that has been populated much later and has had a much small number of inhabitants than the rest of the world "should" be linguistically more homogeneous than the rest of the world.
Rome was the first city in the world to have 1 million people. But aside from a few population centers like that (and there were some in the Americas too!), people have lived in small groups of a few thousand people all around the world. I don't know why you would assume the Americas were less populated throughout their history (after the initial settlement of course) than elsewhere. Of course Europeans killed a huge number later, but before they arrived the continents were empty or even sparsely populated. They were populated like anywhere else. I mean... that's how the Europeans found them... right? It wasn't just by chance that they happened to come ashore where one of the few tribes was living, but that anywhere they would have ended up would have already been populated.
Also, just compare the Americas to Europe: about 15,000 years to diversify vs. only about 5,000 years (plus a few non-Indo-European languages), with a lot of contact and borrowing especially recently. We should expect the Americas to be less diverse than Africa or Asia (for example) but more diverse than Europe. And that's about what we see. There's a huge amount of diversity in the Amazon in particular, so that's where research along these lines must focus (and there is a lot ongoing). But since the groups there were especially small, more rapid change can make sense.
I wonder about the differences between the Americas and Australia. According to Wikipedia Australia's first inhabitants arrived there around 50,000 years ago:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_Australians -- So we should expect much more diversity than in the Americas
But actually Australian languages are mostly very similar today. Our perspective is biased, though, because so many of the languages were wiped out that we only have a fraction left, mostly in the same geographic areas. For example, we don't know much about the language(s) spoken in Tasmania, although a few words were recorded by the earliest Europeans there. The majority of Australian languages today are from the Pama-Nyungan: family
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pama%E2%80%93Nyungan_languages -- containing hundreds of languages, many of which are extinct or severely endangered now. But these languages are fairly transparently related, representing a time depth of only a few thousand years (roughly parallel to Indo-European), nothing like the ~15,000 years of diversity in the Americas:
Proto-Pama–Nyungan may have been spoken as recently as about 5,000 years ago, much more recently than the 40,000 to 60,000 years Indigenous Australians are believed to have been inhabiting Australia. How the Pama–Nyungan languages spread over most of the continent and displaced any pre-Pama–Nyungan languages is uncertain...
So what we see in Australia today does not represent the original diversity at all, really. There are some non-Pama-Nyungan languages in the periphery still spoken, and they are indeed very different, although in some ways they still have some similar features, probably due to contact.
A point to take away from all of that is that languages spread in waves, and also can fade away. (Specific) diversity is a temporary condition, rather than entirely an accumulated result. The history of the languages in the Americans almost certainly represents more diversity than we can observe today (as we know is true for Australia), so the idea of how diversity came about historically is even more interesting: it's not just that it was able to get to the current state, but that it was probably even more layered and diverse over the past thousands of years. Languages don't just spread 'outward', but also across, and under, and on top, and through. And when that happens it can cover up what came before.
In short, 15,000 years is more than enough to get a lot of diversity!
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FlatAssembler,
The most widely accepted language family that connects the Old World and New World is probably Dene-Yeniseian languages.
Aside from Eskimo-Aleut, you're right. The Dene-Yeniseian proposal is better than the Dene-Caucasian ones, although those have been around longer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Na-Dene_languages#Den.C3.A9.E2.80.93YeniseianBut also note that Dene-Yeniseian is a sub-set of the languages of the larger Dene-Caucasian proposal (assuming the proposed languages in each as-is, at least).
I don't really know what's the basis for the assumption that Proto-Afro-Asiatic was spoken that early.
We know which languages are related. And we have early attestations of some of them. We also have a general sense of how long the changes might have taken. It's not precise at all, but we can guess that it was at least a few thousand years for some things to happen. Since Ancient Egyptian is attested from almost 5,000 years ago (and Akkadian soon after, which was not the parent of the other Semitic languages but rather a different daughter of Proto-Semitic that had already had some time to change on its own), the idea of Afro-Asiatic unity being younger than 10,000 years is implausible. So 15,000 is a rough approximation, and we can say 15,000±5,000. Something like 10,000-20,000 is reasonable. That's not my number anyway. I looked it up on Wikipedia to get some idea of what people thought, but I don't take the actual number very seriously. Proto-Indo-European is around 6,000-8,000 years old, and Proto-Semitic is parallel to that. Overall we don't know much for certain, but 15,000 is a reasonable guess.
It's a well-known thing that glottochronology can greatly overestimate the age of a language family that's spread over a large area.
"Glottochronology" usually refers to a
specific method based on looking at the number of cognate words in a word list and then estimating a rate of change (borrowing or coinage) and figuring out distance based on that word list data. That method is highly problematic, but that's just one approach. The basis for the 15,000±5,000 years for Afro-Asiatic is also based on other factors like anthropological evidence, the observed rate of change for the 5,000 years of attested history, and so forth. It's not just word lists. In fact, word lists for Afro-Asiatic as a whole are harder to establish than for other language families, because the time depth is so great. Still there are recurring patterns that support the hypothesis that these languages are related, but reconstruction (and other details) remain difficult.