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Title: Etymology question
Post by: lingo91 on August 09, 2019, 04:43:44 AM
Hi all, I am new to the forum. I am not sure if this topic is relevant to this section.

The reason I started this is because I am really curious if there is a connection with the english suffix "-ed" with the latin "-atus" and the greek "-τος". I know that the english is related to the german "-t", but I am just trying to see if there is a common suffix in proto-indoeuropean. I know that basically in greek the suffix "-τος" is basically for adjectives, not passive participles, but still it is more or less kinda the same meaning.

Would anyone be able to share his knowledge? Cheers!
Title: Re: Etymology question
Post by: Daniel on August 09, 2019, 05:08:22 AM
A quick search brings up:
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/-t%C3%B3s
(The Greek and cognate forms for participles.)
And this variant:
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/-n%C3%B3s
Which in fact is cognate with English -en 'strong' participles.

However, looking specifically at English -ed:
https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=-ed
Suggesting it is cognate with the others above, at least as the regular/weak participle ending.
Wiktionary then has three distinct etymologies (unclear whether these might be ultimately related, or if they're intended as compatible but distinct hypotheses):
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/-ed#English
There's some overlap, suggesting it may be cognate.

So, as with most questions like this, it's complicated, and controversial. There may be a connection there, but it looks like a complex one. Note that it seems like this is more about participles (adjective-deriving suffixes) rather than past tense, so that is likely the origin, assuming all of this is connected.
Title: Re: Etymology question
Post by: lingo91 on August 09, 2019, 06:39:45 AM
I see, thanks a lot for the reply!